The V10 discs have arrived!
Written by NEO March 21 2011 at 22:27. Last updated March 22 2011 at 06:14.
Sweet Jesus! Are they big or are they big!? I love them and I haven't even touched them yet! I bought them from BHV Handel in Germany and they were shipped to my parents who took these pictures (I'm trapped in another city at the moment). I can highly recomend BHV Handel! Great prices and out of this world fast delivery and they also tossed in a few Castrol swags, thanks guys! =) Good service is hard to find these days but these guys will for sure hear more from me in the future.
On to the discs. They're fucking humongos multiplied with ginmormous! I'll write more when I have tried them on the car. =)
Silicon hoses and more V10 brake love
Written by NEO March 12 2011 at 21:51. Last updated March 12 2011 at 22:05.
I though it would be nice to start a post with something else than brakes for a change. =) I lend out a few of the turbo hoses I had on shelf to the guys at www.do88.se so they could fabricate them in silicon. As thanks I got a free set of hoses and since I'm already driving around with Roose Motorsport's turbo hoses I picked the water hoses. They look really nice and you can order them from their webshop.
On to the brakes. I have bought a set of brake discs from eBay but unfortunately they got stuck in a post office over the weekend which makes it a bit hard to know how the new bracket for these calipers should look. But it is clear that a new set of brackets has to be manufactured. As seen on the pictures the V10 calipers and their bracket are nothing like the brackets on the B7 8 pots and B7 ceramic 8 pots.
A better look at the RS6 V10 brakes.
Written by NEO February 26 2011 at 15:24. Last updated February 26 2011 at 15:41.
Today I removed the brake pads from the calipers and cleaned them up around the pistons. As seen on the pictures above the chrome on the pistons have started to peel of. On both calipers this is worse on the inner pistons so I guess that the calipers are running hotter on the inside then on the outside. I'm not sure yet if this is so bad that I have to replace the pistons or not but I think that my plan now is to get them on the car in this condition and worry about the pistons later on. =)
I have also looked a bit more at the 'Ceramic' calipers and compared them with the V10 ones. I don't have a good scale here but the one I have indicates that the calipers weight almost the same. Maybe that the 'Ceramics' are a slightly lighter but on the other hand they don't have any brackets mounted on them. Size-wise the ceramics feels just a tad bigger and I believe that it would be possible to run those too with 390mm discs. If one could find discs suitable with those pretty massive pads that is...
I still don't know which calipers to use on my car since both these calipers have their own issues. For the ceramic calipers I need to find a set of suitable discs. Either the Porsche Cayenne discs or the other ones I have been tipped about. The cayenne discs have a floating center with a bolt pattern of 5/113 and they are crazy expensive and I would have to manufacture custom centers for them. The other discs I have been tipped of have a bolt pattern of 5/112 and are one solid piece. It might be possible to drill them to 5/112 but that's a big risk to take, but on the other hand those disks are fairly cheap.
For the RS6 calipers I need to manufacture new brackets which are a fairly expensive process. Another alternative would be to do what Wolfgang done on his awesome S2, to change the wheel hub assembly to the one from the RS4 b5 which these brakes would bolt on to. The issue I would run into with that approach is if the guys at the annual MOT wouldn't pass the car and that I have to rebuild to the original brakes, to swap the wheel hub assembly is a bit more tedious then to just swap the brackets and calipers. I'm also not sure if the 390mm RS6 discs would work on the S2 hubs and with my wheels so that's a big gamble too. =/
And lastly... Maybe there are some even bigger brakes out there that I could buy and use on the car!? =)))
NEW BRAKES! RS6 C6 5.0 V10. Sweeeet!
Written by NEO February 25 2011 at 21:07. Last updated February 26 2011 at 15:33.
Yep. After the Phaeton incident a few weeks ago I had to buy something to fill the emptiness inside me and I accidentally stumbled across these babies! It was a pretty nice deal and I got new pistons and pads to them and they were in much better shape then I thought, that's a nice feeling for a change! But I don't know if I will or can use them on my car yet since I need a new bracket for them (or a new wheel hub assembly) and I also need to find the 390mm rotors for them. When comparing these calipers with the 'ceramic' calipers they are actually almost the same size, almost looks like the ceramics are a bit bigger. I will look more at it tomorrow so stay tuned!
Bye bye Phaetons, it was nice knowing you.
Written by NEO January 27 2011 at 08:08. Last updated January 27 2011 at 20:34.
Yep, the Paetons will be sent back to 'Allbildelar'. I was told that the front rotors had 35mm left and that the rear rotors had 23mm left. Yeah I know, that's one mm more then new discs but I just thought that he measured a bit sloppy and that I was about to to a great deal. But as seen on the pictures I didn't. =/ Each disc is worn down 3-4 mm in total (both sides...), and Audi/VW replaces them when worn down 4 mm so they're pretty much useless. They said that one new front disc is about 280 EUR and that they were willing to give me 280 EUR back if I kept the brakes. I have no idea what lists they are looking in since one of these for sure doesn't cost 280 EUR, more like 500 EUR. And also, all four discs has to be replaces so 280 EUR is a really bad offer, in my opinion. Anyways, I didn't have the time and strength to argue so the whole set will go back to them. No hard feelings here though and I'm pretty happy with how they dealt with this.
Oh yeah, I was totally wrong about that! Phaeton brakes...
Written by NEO January 22 2011 at 18:17. Last updated January 22 2011 at 18:49.
I have no idea what I was thinking yesterday when I posted the pictures of the rear calipers and said that the handbrake assembly was the same as the one on the S2 coupé. It's not even close to similar! In fact, the Phaeton W12 rear caliper is a worse pick then the RS4 b7 caliper and I can't see any way to make the handbrake cable to work on the coupé. And what I said about the Phaeton calipers being a lot bigger then the RS4 b7's was also wrong. In fact, the RS4b7 caliper and the Phaeton caliper are near identical. The only difference is the handbrake assembly and an area near the brake line connector that has been grinded down on the RS4 caliper. I'm almost certain that the calipers are made in the same molds in the TRW factory. So the big difference is the carrier that allows the Phaeton to swallow a bigger disk at the rear than the RS4. The Phaeton carrier also has a larger CC where it's bolted to the wheel hub assembly. I belive it would be pretty easy and safe to modify the RS4 b7 carriers to take this 335mm disc, not that I will do it though. Or I believe that you could use the carrier from the RS6 C5 with the RS4 caliper. Anyone want to buy a set of Phaeton rear brakes? =)
The front one fits nicely, but that was no surprise since they are basically the same as RS4 b7. The difference between these and my previous RS6 c4 calipers is that these have a unicorn horn instead of that stabilization plate (or what it is, seen here). The RS4 b7 and RS5 have neither of these "features" and I'm not sure what the function of the unicorn horn is. Anyone have a guess?
Big package. But for sure it can't be another set of brakes?
Written by NEO January 21 2011 at 18:48. Last updated January 21 2011 at 19:22.
Of course it is another set of brakes! Remember who you're talking about here! It's me for crying out loud so what else would it be?! =) This time it's from a Phaeton 6.0 W12 and it's a complete set with the 335mm rear brakes. The interesting thing with the rear brakes is that the handbrake connects the same way as on the S2 Coupé! I had no idea about that when I bought them so that was for sure a nice surprise! The condition of the calipers looks ok at a first glance but I will have to clean them up to make sure. The sad thing here though is that the discs weren't in as good condition as I had been promised. =( Oh, and hey! There's no carriers on them??? Don't the Phaeton have those? I guess I have to call them and ask what's up with that. =/
Small update on what's happening.
Written by NEO November 21 2010 at 18:43. Last updated November 22 2010 at 06:13.
I thought I should make a small update on the current brake situation. During the autumn I painted the calipers even though I don't know if I will keep them or not. They're probably easier to sell if there's paint on them anyways. I have also passed on two more sets of caliper brackets to friends in Canada and Norway that share my fetish for big brakes. =)
The front brake situation is not yet resolved and it's a bigger mess then I've ever could have dreamed of. I have been in talks with Brembo and they say that they don't manufacture the discs used with these calipers and that they only manufactured the calipers in this particular setup. So both the 380mm Cayenne discs and the ceramic discs on Audi are manufactured by someone else which means I can't find the blueprints of them. =/ I have gone through all Brembos catalogues and they have nothing that fits. =( One option would be to buy the 380mm Cayenne discs from Porsche and have custom centers manufactured. Another option would be to buy the 8 pot RS4/RS6/R8 calipers again and use those with the 380mm MTM-discs I already have. A third option would be to buy the Audi RS6 C6 390mm setup and hope that it can be massaged to fit on an S2... In other words, it's a mess at the moment and I have no idea what to do, regular 'irry' in other words...
Splash shields, hand brake and some primer.
Written by NEO August 28 2010 at 16:05. Last updated August 28 2010 at 16:51.
Today I finished the other rear splash shield and now both are ready for blasting and welding. I also picked up the cut out metal pieces that will be welded to the front RS4-b7 splash shields. Looks like my strategy on the front ones will work, horray!
Once the rear splash shields were done I took a look at the hand brake situation and I might have a solution for it, a solution where the original cable can be used! I'm not sure yet and I need some second opinions about it but the plan is to make a mounting, just like the one on the subframe, but weld it to the wishbone as seen on the pictures. Maybe the cable should be just a few centimeters longer but I think that a new cable would solve what on the pictures looks like a fairly aggressive bend on the cable, the current one is a bit rugged after 16 years on the road. =)
I also started to think about the carriers for the rear RS4-b7 brakes today. Maybe there are some other carriers that will work with those calipers so I don't have to space out the disc? I will look into it a bit more before I order new wheel hubs.
Brake conversion = FAIL. Epic fail?
Written by NEO August 20 2010 at 18:43. Last updated August 20 2010 at 19:40.
I started the day with bending the new brake lines for the calipers. The original ones had some shipping damages so I thought there was a good idea to replace them before I respray the calipers. The new lines were a bit to long so mid-bending I had to take them back to the shop for a minor adjustment but after this they fitted and it turned out pretty ok.
What didn't turn out ok were the new pads. When I picked up the pad I never thought about testing them in the caliper mounted on the car and when I tried them today the big shock came. THEY DON'T FIT! The problem is that the T1414 pagid pads are to high to they slam into the center of the disc. =( I can not find anyother pads in Pagids catalog that fits these calipers so now I have no idea what to do! Find new discs? Find new calipers? Sell everything and buy drugs and get really high? Epic fail? Can I recover from this? So damn angry at the moment!
